Posts by Island Man

all my life i was taught that apostates just spread lies and falsehoods.. yet since i have left the organisation and looked deeply into apostate articles.

The only "lies" I have come across are those pertaining to hidden subliminal images, and to be fair even those aren't real lies because for one there actually were a few "easter egg" type images in older literature and secondly the other dubious claims of subliminal images are not deliberate attempts to mislead but just paranoid, super-cynical ex-JWs succumbing to pareidolia.

Who I do see lying on youtube videos and in the postings on various internet fora, are JW elders and publishers, when they're asked questions that could expose certain unsavory aspects of their religion. Yahoo Answers' Religion and Spirituality section has many examples of JWs giving dishonest answers and comments to hide and deny unsavory facts about their religion pertaining to things like shunning and discouraging higher education.

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The right to record your judicial committee meeting

by UnshackleTheChains in

ok.. we have often heard secret recordings online of jc hearings.

but, what i would like to know is if individuals are entitled to the right of officially recording their judicial hearings?.

supposing i was to attend a judicial committee and i explained up front that i would like to record the proceedings and then place a dictaphone on the table.

Island Man

A thought just occurred to me: what if you're not recording - just broadcasting or streaming the audio live. Since you're not actually recording, is that a legal loophole for laws that forbid recording? And what if someone online listening in to the stream is in a jurisdiction that does permit recording and they record what you streamed and sent it to you ...

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The right to record your judicial committee meeting

by UnshackleTheChains in

ok.. we have often heard secret recordings online of jc hearings.

but, what i would like to know is if individuals are entitled to the right of officially recording their judicial hearings?.

supposing i was to attend a judicial committee and i explained up front that i would like to record the proceedings and then place a dictaphone on the table.

Island Man

"When I was asked if I was recording it, I simply said "why would you ask that?", and kept the recorder going...."

Yeah that's a good strategy. Also, you can walk with a notepad with the intention of taking notes. They're less likely to think that you have an audio recording device if they see you have a notepad to take notes manually. And when they ask if you're recording you can say: "Yeah I intend to take note of important points. Is that a problem?"

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Two witness rule: Stop using it, its not working on JWs!

by StephaneLaliberte in

most jws don't see this as a problem.

they reason that.

just like the jws, the police will not convict a pedophile over the story of one victim alone, there must be collaborative evidence.

Island Man

I have stated before that the 2-witness rule is irrelevant to the issue of JWs hiding incidents of pedophilia because even when there are two witnesses they still don't report incidents to the police as a matter of policy, worldwide. And even if they don't have 2 witnesses to the incident, that has no bearing on reporting a serious criminal allegation to the police since the 2 witness rule only applies to internal congregational discipline.

The real issue is the organization's selfish, egotistical drive to avoid negative allegations about members becoming public knowledge and bringing reproach on the organization. They're willing to risk the safety of children to preserve their self-assumed, white-washed image. That is the real issue - not the 2 witness rule.

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Why are there more sisters than brothers at the Kingdom Hauls?

by Sour Grapes in

i have always wondered why there are more females than males in all of the congregations that i have visited?

some of these females are in their 70's so maybe their husbands have died and women just live longer.

or could the reason be that years ago men were the breadwinners and women stayed home to raise the children thus they were home during the week when the jdubs came a knocking?

Island Man

It's not unique to JWs. I see it in all/most churches. I think it has something to do with with social aspect of church culture resonating more with the social, nurturing nature that tends to be stronger in women than in men.

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Do Jehovah's Witnesses Accept Evolution?

by jukief in

by evolution or by creation?

"the bible is a myth" and "evolution is true".

Island Man

If we're to take seriously the kind of gymnastic special pleading reasoning that SBF and other apologists are using, we might as well throw logic out the door altogether and naively believe any preposterous claim no matter how contradictory. There's no position that cannot be justified - no matter how ridiculous and contradictory - with the kind of reasoning being employed by apologists. That is a huge red flag suggesting that there's something definitely wrong with their reasoning.

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disfellowshipped and looking to find someone in the same possition

by whatisgoingonpls in

where can i find a disfellowshipped wife ;)

Island Man

Don't get a DFd wife. Get a POMO wife or a PIMO wife.

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Languages, Dialects, Accents

by LoveUniHateExams in

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just though i'd start a thread devoted to languages, dialects/sociolects and accents, with the idea being that posters can comment on any language, or dialect or accent of any language, on this thread.. any phrases, expressions or idioms that you find interesting are also welcome.

first, the subject of english accents came up on another thread.. the british isles have many different types of accent (although many of the dialects may be dying out), and if i start to take a closer look, i can't help but see 'patterns' .... in received pronunciation of standard english, the letter r is pronounced initially, between vowels, and after consonants, e.g.

red, arrow, break.

Island Man

I find the Jamaican dialect is interesting. It's actually more English than many realize. Many of the words are actually contracted forms of English words (e.g. "pon" = upon) and there are a few coined words derived from existing English words (e.g. "backer" from back = behind). But to someone not familiar with the Jamaican accent, it can be difficult at first for these English-derived words to be immediately recognized as being such.

Another interesting thing about the Jamaican dialect is that it contains a lot of sayings and proverb-like idioms that do not literally mean what the English equivalent of the vocabulary would suggest. "Wah you deh pon" is literally: "What are you there upon?" but has the actual dynamic equivalent meaning of "What are you doing". So in addition to learning the vocabulary of words you have to learn the vocabulary of certain whole phrases.

Jamaican dialect reminds me of the fictional language Grounder (or Trigedasleng) from the tv show The 100. Both languages have English derived words and both languages involve the use of proverb-like sayings that have semi-literal meanings.

Here's a quick primer on the language:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkTBvAOTYYo&t=2s